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Re: New Developments III

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:52 am
by Big Magilla
Forget the Republicans. I just watched an interview on MSNBC with Rep. Zoe Lofgren, Chair of the Ethics Committee and one of the impeachment managers last year. She's only 73, but she looks older than Dianne Feinstein. She flat out said she didn't see the point in impeaching Trump again as he would be gone in two weeks. No one challenged her about his ability to run again.

Even more disturbingly, she brushed off tomorrow's planned sedition act by Hawley, Cruz, and company, saying the law was clear, the counts are in the envelope, the envelopes were delivered to the Congress in December and that will be that. She simply shrugged off the time that will be wasted while objections are raised, each of which could be debated for an hour or more before the vote is confirmed for the state in question.

With Democrats acting like that, Trump will keep laughing all the way to the bank.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:43 am
by taki15
Big Magilla wrote:Neal Katyal and Sam Koppelman make a good argument for impeaching Trump again and this time finding him guilty even though he will have left office by the time it is done. It would be to keep him from running again in 2024.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/04/opin ... e=Homepage
Even if Democrats take both seats in Georgia tonight, there is no way that 16 Republicans will vote to convict Trump. This is pure fantasy.
People should come in terms with reality that the vast majority of Republican voters and elected officials have no problem with authoritarianism, as long as it keeps them in power.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:08 am
by Big Magilla
Neal Katyal and Sam Koppelman make a good argument for impeaching Trump again and this time finding him guilty even though he will have left office by the time it is done. It would be to keep him from running again in 2024.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/04/opin ... e=Homepage

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:17 am
by Big Magilla
I just spent some time dealing with one of those click-bait stories on Roy Rogers and the Rogers Museum which moved to Branson, MO after the deaths of Rogers and Dale Evans and was closed at the end of 2009, after which the stuffed remains of his horse Trigger were sold to a smalltime TV station. It got me thinking that maybe the next big thing in taxidermy could be the stuffed remains of Trump on display at the Trump Museum in Mar-a-logo. When future generations lose interest, maybe his remains, too, could be sold to a small TV station that still gives a damn.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:45 am
by Big Magilla
Why isn't there more outrage over things like this?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics ... index.html

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:01 pm
by Greg
What is shocking to me is not the phone call itself, but, my not being at all surprised that it happened.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:50 pm
by Sonic Youth
Someone needs to find that clip from Downfall and sync up the audio of the phone call over it.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:27 pm
by taki15
Mister Tee wrote:Anyone who's not watching cable news right now should tune in for what is, even by Trump era standards, a Holy Shit moment.

And spare me your "This won't change Republican minds" takes. I'm just talking about the reality that the president is on tape, sounding like a mob boss, telling a secretary of state to "find" enough votes to reverse an election. The Ukraine call we only knew about through third-party testimony; this is direct evidence. Appalling.
I assume that Trump will be prosecuted after January 20th for this slam-dunk case of extortion when he can no longer hide behind his office.
And let's hope that Biden won't let him off the hook in some foolishly naive attempt at reconciliation. You don't negotiate with terrorists and arsonists.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:10 pm
by Sabin
Remarkable stuff.

In other news:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/328106/pub ... yndication

Trump joins Jimmy Carter as defeated incumbents whose approval ratings fell after failing to win reelection. To be fair, it's small company (just George H.W. Bush) but Ford saw his approval rise. Anyway: can't imagine why. He's been so charming as of late.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:32 pm
by Mister Tee
Anyone who's not watching cable news right now should tune in for what is, even by Trump era standards, a Holy Shit moment.

And spare me your "This won't change Republican minds" takes. I'm just talking about the reality that the president is on tape, sounding like a mob boss, telling a secretary of state to "find" enough votes to reverse an election. The Ukraine call we only knew about through third-party testimony; this is direct evidence. Appalling.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:42 pm
by Greg
Here is sort of a companion to the recent amazing scientific/technical advances that led to the covid vaccines, that should really put a smile on your faces. This is a video from Boston Dynamics, which is a company that spun off from research done at MIT, which shows robots they built that are spectacularly getting down and dancing to "Do You Love Me (Mashed Potato)":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:05 pm
by Sabin
danfrank wrote
This is perhaps closer to Nazi territory than anything else we’ve seen from this administration, which is saying a lot. Horrifying.
Early this week, Gen. Frank McKenzie told NBC News that intel still hasn't established Russia paid Taliban 'bounties' to kill U.S. troops. I was pretty horrified by that story when I heard about it. Gen. McKenzie saying this doesn't mean that it didn't happen... but I try to approach these unverified stories with a little skepticism.

But this is absolutely horrifying. Horrifying.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:21 pm
by danfrank
This is perhaps closer to Nazi territory than anything else we’ve seen from this administration, which is saying a lot. Horrifying.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:11 pm
by Sabin
HOLY SHIT.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/15/politics ... index.html

Whistleblower alleges high rate of hysterectomies and medical neglect at ICE facility
Priscilla Alvarez byline

Washington (CNN)A whistleblower who previously worked at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Georgia detailed a high rate of hysterectomies and alleged medical neglect in a complaint filed to the Department of Homeland Security inspector general Monday.

Dawn Wooten, a licensed practical nurse employed by the center who's represented by the Government Accountability Project and Project South, stated in a complaint that while some women may have required a hysterectomy, "everybody's uterus cannot be that bad."

The Government Accountability Project provides representation for whistleblowers and Project South is a social justice organization. The complaint is also signed by several immigrant advocacy organizations: Georgia Detention Watch, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights and South Georgia Immigrant Support Network.

"Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody. He's even taken out the wrong ovary on a young lady [detained immigrant woman]. She was supposed to get her left ovary removed because it had a cyst on the left ovary; he took out the right one. She was upset. She had to go back to take out the left and she wound up with a total hysterectomy," Wooten explains in the complaint.

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"She still wanted children—so she has to go back home now and tell her husband that she can't bear kids... she said she was not all the way out under anesthesia and heard him [doctor] tell the nurse that he took the wrong ovary," she continued.

The complaint doesn't disclose the name of the gynecologist or the number of women allegedly coerced into receiving the procedure, nor when it occurred. ICE said it doesn't comment on matters presented to the inspector general.

"ICE takes all allegations seriously and defers to the (Office of the Inspector General) regarding any potential investigation and/or results. That said, in general, anonymous, unproven allegations, made without any fact-checkable specifics, should be treated with the appropriate skepticism they deserve," the agency said.

A detained immigrant told Project South, a social justice organization, that she had spoken to five different women at Irwin County Detention Center between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy.

"When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they're experimenting with our bodies," said the immigrant, whose name was not disclosed by the organization.

LaSalle Corrections, which operates the facility, did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment.
Wooten also describes speaking with detained women who didn't fully understand why they had the medical procedure.

"These immigrant women, I don't think they really, totally, all the way understand this is what's going to happen depending on who explains it to them," Wooten said.

Wooten will deliver remarks alongside representatives from Project South, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, South Georgia Immigrant Support Network, and Georgia Detention Watch at a noon press conference in Georgia.

Re: New Developments III

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:30 pm
by Okri
Pew Survey

Only posting it because I was actually called to participate. Numbers are unsurprising.