[BB] Best by Best Game - The Continuation

[Big Magilla]

I'm going to stand by my objection to her being placed in Supporting Actress and not Supporting Actor.

So, you need to make a new Supporting Actress choice if you wish to include him and remove your previous Supporting Actor nominee.

I Think Candy Darling should be included in Best Supporting Actress. She's always referred to as "her" and not "him". Candy is not a drag artist like Divine, but a transsexual so I think we should respect that Candy wanted to be an female and not a male.

During her lifetime Candy Darlign was referred to as a "female impersonator". I didn't recall her as having been transsexual but I brought her up on Wikipedia where it said she was, though she may have been pre-op. In any case, this argument has long since run its course.

Ironically, however, Candy may have been more deserving of a Best Actress nod for Women in Revolt than a supporting nod for Klute, but I wo';t re-light that fire.

In any case, it's been more than 48 hours since "everyone else" had an opportunity to post their second round choices. However since OG doesn't post on weekends and since I'm not home and won;t be able to do the tallies until late Tuesday at the earliest, I have no objection to anyone jumping in over the weekend.

[Reza]

I wish Hustler would just post his Round 2 choices and put 1971 out of it's misery.

[OscarGuy]

You know, I don't really care anymore. I said I wouldn't get caught up in dramatic bull shit on this board anymore, but I still do. So, I'm just going to back out of it. If you guys want to recognize "Candy" as a she instead of a he, that's your decision. It seems like such a rather pointless designation anyway.

[jowy_jillia]

I'm going to stand by my objection to her being placed in Supporting Actress and not Supporting Actor.

So, you need to make a new Supporting Actress choice if you wish to include him and remove your previous Supporting Actor nominee.

I Think Candy Darling should be included in Best Supporting Actress. She's always referred to as "her" and not "him". Candy is not a drag artist like Divine, but a transsexual so I think we should respect that Candy wanted to be an female and not a male.

[Reza]

I'm going to stand by my objection to her being placed in Supporting Actress and not Supporting Actor.

So, you need to make a new Supporting Actress choice if you wish to include him and remove your previous Supporting Actor nominee.

Oops the drama continues.

Anyway all this controversy has ensured, for me at least, a review of Klute.

Thanks Flipp.

[OscarGuy]

I'm going to stand by my objection to her being placed in Supporting Actress and not Supporting Actor.

So, you need to make a new Supporting Actress choice if you wish to include him and remove your previous Supporting Actor nominee.

[flipp525]

I'm going to keep Candy Darling in Best Supporting Actress. I think I've sufficiently defended that choice.

Here are my Round 2 picks:

Best Picture:
Klute

Best Actor:
Clint Eastwood – Dirty Harry

Best Actress:
Francesca Annis – Macbeth

Best Supporting Actor:
Keith Carradine – McCabe and Mrs. Miller

Best Supporting Actress:
Shelley Duvall – McCabe and Mrs. Miller

Best Art Direction:
Macbeth

[Big Magilla]

I would say it would be a Supporting Actor, not a Supporting Actress at least. I hadn't thought of that. But, Linda Hunt won Supporting Actress for The Year of Living Dangerously despite playing a male role. Jaye Davidson got nominated for Supporting Actor despite his androgyny in The Crying Game.

Surely it is easy to figure out which category an actor fits into regardless of the gender being portrayed on screen.

Does Candy Darling have a penis or a vagina? Paging Flipp.

Neither. Candy has been dead for 35 years, but when he was alive he had a penis. He was a drag queen, not a transgendered male to female.

What is different above Candy, though, is that as far as I know he/she was never seen in public in anything other than drag so it would be within reason to bend the rule here.

[Reza]

I would say it would be a Supporting Actor, not a Supporting Actress at least. I hadn't thought of that. But, Linda Hunt won Supporting Actress for The Year of Living Dangerously despite playing a male role. Jaye Davidson got nominated for Supporting Actor despite his androgyny in The Crying Game.

Surely it is easy to figure out which category an actor fits into regardless of the gender being portrayed on screen.

Does Candy Darling have a penis or a vagina? Paging Flipp.

And maybe if Hustler can post his Round 2 choices we can close this year, which appears to be veering off into silly tangents.



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[OscarGuy]

I would say it would be a Supporting Actor, not a Supporting Actress at least. I hadn't thought of that. But, Linda Hunt won Supporting Actress for The Year of Living Dangerously despite playing a male role. Jaye Davidson got nominated for Supporting Actor despite his androgyny in The Crying Game.

[Big Magilla]

Oh, I don;t care, not really. One of the purposes of this game was supposed to give us ideas of films and performances, etc. to seek out from a given year based on others' recommendations. Only Eric and rain Bard have done that consistently. The rest of us, me included, have veered more in the direction of voting for tried and true favorites, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Flipp's impassioned support of Candy Darling and the disco scene in Klute certainly puts a new light on an old movie. I don't think any of us will watch that movie again with the same perspective.

I suppose I could have been more diplomatic and asked why instead of dismissing Flipp's choice out of hand, but I guess I was really bummed out by the fact that there were so many good supporting actress performances in 1971 that haven't been singled out that naming someone who was hardly in the film at at all was a disservice to all those really deservign ladies, and this from the guy who thought Tallulah Bankhead was a supporting player in Lifeboat!

The other thign that bothered me was the gender thing. I believe we discussed it briefly before but I don't know that we ever came up with a conclusion. Traditionally the rule of thumb has been that a man playing a woman is an "actor" not an "actress", drag queen or not - Divine was an "actor", not an "actress". So is RuPaul. Why is Candy Darling being considered an "actress"? But like I said, I dont really care. This is exhausting. It reminds me of the new chess sets I came across yesterday being marketed in teh SKy Mall magazine - one has the pieces made to represent the Christians and Muslims fighting in the Crusdaes. The other has pieces from World War II with the king and queen represented on one side by Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt and the other by Hitler and Eva Braun. Who wants to be the Nazi who takes out Eleanor Roosevelt?

[Eric]

I pass my turn.

[flipp525]

But he's not recognizing the performance. He's recognizing the scene. There's a huge difference.

No. I'm recognizing the scene AND Darling's contribution to the scene (i.e. her performance). Can we just enter it into the record and be done with this?

I don't understand why this is causing WWIII to erupt.



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[Penelope]

Can we please just stop and let it go? I'm totally fine with him wanting to cite this performance. Let's just just list it and move on. You'd think we were debating the Iraq War!

[OscarGuy]

But he's not recognizing the performance. He's recognizing the scene. There's a huge difference.