Why is that the choice we have? And sorry Damien, but it's not like White didn't do the exact same thing last year (his criticism of Mo'Nique/Precious).Sabin wrote:Do we need more Armond Whites or Lisa Schwarzbaums?
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A friend emailed me this. I'm not sure where it's from. Maybe Gawker:
The thing is, that clown Darren Aronofsky started things. Which isn't to say White wouldn't have acted up even without the prodding, but still, Aronofsky set the tone.
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New York Press film critic Armond White isn't exactly beloved in Hollywood -- in fact, he's quite the opposite -- and things came to a head last night during the New York Film Critics Circle Awards, with 'Black Swan' director Darren Aronofsky chastising White from the stage and a teary-eyed Annette Bening pleading for everyone to "just get along."
According to the Village Voice, things were tense from the get-go after White, chairman of the Critics Circle, brought Aronofsky onstage to present an award to his 'Swan' cinematographer, Matthew Libatique. In an obvious wink to White's negative 'Swan' review, the director said, "Keep it up, because you give us all another reason not to read New York Press."
"Aronofsky was saying this stuff with a smile," Gawker reports. "He was riffing." White, however, wasn't laughing, and took his next turn at the mic to stir the pot, saying, "That's all right. Darren reads me. That's all I want. And because he reads me, he knows the truth."
White is notorious for, well, being deliberately antagonistic. Gawker perhaps puts it best: "[White] is a very angry critic who feels very passionately about movies and tends to hate what everyone else likes and like what everyone else hates."
The atmosphere at the event appears to have been volatile, to say the least. "Armond broke the bank on insulting award winners he didn't agree with," an attendee told Gawker.
When 'Blue Valentine' actress Michelle Williams was presented with a prize, White introduced her by praising her performance in the 2004 film 'Land of Plenty,' leading the Oscar-nominated actress (for 'Brokeback Mountain') to say, "I made that movie almost 10 years ago. I can't imagine what you've said about me since then if you had to go back that far to say something nice."
Later, when White brought 'Angels in America' playwright Tony Kushner to the stage to award director David Fincher's universally acclaimed 'The Social Network' with the Best Picture prize, he said, "Maybe he can explain why it won best picture."
White also made sure to thank his peers for not awarding any honors to director Noah Baumbach's well-reviewed indie hit 'Greenberg.' Baumbach's continued success has long been a thorn in the critic's side; in his review of Baumbach's 1997 film 'Mr. Jealousy,' White said the director's mother should have had a "retroactive abortion." How tasteful and professional of him.
The tone of the evening, however, was apparently set in stone when Annette Bening took to the stage to accept the Best Actress prize for her turn in 'The Kids Are Alright.' "Bening, tearfully, came close to lecturing critics for being mean little s**ts," an attendee told Gawker,
The thing is, that clown Darren Aronofsky started things. Which isn't to say White wouldn't have acted up even without the prodding, but still, Aronofsky set the tone.
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New York Press film critic Armond White isn't exactly beloved in Hollywood -- in fact, he's quite the opposite -- and things came to a head last night during the New York Film Critics Circle Awards, with 'Black Swan' director Darren Aronofsky chastising White from the stage and a teary-eyed Annette Bening pleading for everyone to "just get along."
According to the Village Voice, things were tense from the get-go after White, chairman of the Critics Circle, brought Aronofsky onstage to present an award to his 'Swan' cinematographer, Matthew Libatique. In an obvious wink to White's negative 'Swan' review, the director said, "Keep it up, because you give us all another reason not to read New York Press."
"Aronofsky was saying this stuff with a smile," Gawker reports. "He was riffing." White, however, wasn't laughing, and took his next turn at the mic to stir the pot, saying, "That's all right. Darren reads me. That's all I want. And because he reads me, he knows the truth."
White is notorious for, well, being deliberately antagonistic. Gawker perhaps puts it best: "[White] is a very angry critic who feels very passionately about movies and tends to hate what everyone else likes and like what everyone else hates."
The atmosphere at the event appears to have been volatile, to say the least. "Armond broke the bank on insulting award winners he didn't agree with," an attendee told Gawker.
When 'Blue Valentine' actress Michelle Williams was presented with a prize, White introduced her by praising her performance in the 2004 film 'Land of Plenty,' leading the Oscar-nominated actress (for 'Brokeback Mountain') to say, "I made that movie almost 10 years ago. I can't imagine what you've said about me since then if you had to go back that far to say something nice."
Later, when White brought 'Angels in America' playwright Tony Kushner to the stage to award director David Fincher's universally acclaimed 'The Social Network' with the Best Picture prize, he said, "Maybe he can explain why it won best picture."
White also made sure to thank his peers for not awarding any honors to director Noah Baumbach's well-reviewed indie hit 'Greenberg.' Baumbach's continued success has long been a thorn in the critic's side; in his review of Baumbach's 1997 film 'Mr. Jealousy,' White said the director's mother should have had a "retroactive abortion." How tasteful and professional of him.
The tone of the evening, however, was apparently set in stone when Annette Bening took to the stage to accept the Best Actress prize for her turn in 'The Kids Are Alright.' "Bening, tearfully, came close to lecturing critics for being mean little s**ts," an attendee told Gawker,
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Possibly some utopian ideal of an Armond White -- someone who saw through the false cant of much modern film criticism and spoke boldly and convincingly for his own vision -- would have a lot of value. But a guy who argues that Transformers 2 is a better movie than Toy Story 3 seemingly solely because his fellow critics are united in praising the latter is of no particular use, even as a contrarian. He just seems like a dick.
There are other links (one from the AV Club) that tell more of the story of the evening, and White apparently played the asshole role with more relish as the evening went on.
Aronofsky, however, comes off as just as much a douche.
There are other links (one from the AV Club) that tell more of the story of the evening, and White apparently played the asshole role with more relish as the evening went on.
Aronofsky, however, comes off as just as much a douche.
Even when I don't agree with Armond White, there's always something I latch onto that I don't often see in other reviews, so I do respect his position as one of the few vocal contrarians out there. We do need more Armond Whites out there, if not him. But it sounds to be like what happened was he took a swipe somewhat early on and he allowed it to steamroll with increasing snarkiness and making the entire ceremony about him in the exact same way that he accuses these filmmakers he accuses of self-absorption and myopia of making their films all about them.
It's not as though Lisa Schwarzbaum has anything of interest to really say on the matter. She's not a very good or perceptive writer.
But she doesn't know that. She only knows how she feels upon leaving and as represented by the far more vivid representation she details of the critic's perspective, especially considering that she began her essay by regaling of the charming acceptance speech by Colin Firth or Michelle Williams' sweet presentation to Mark Ruffalo. It her point is that there was something mutually contemptible between critic and artist, I'm not sure that's coming across. If anything, she's just detailing her embarrassment of her chairman, and nothing about her duties as a critic.
It's not as though Lisa Schwarzbaum has anything of interest to really say on the matter. She's not a very good or perceptive writer.
Represented by an ungracious spokesman, all critics were made to look as sour and bitter and ungenerous as caricature (and Ratatouille) would have us. Judged by snark from one irritated director, everyone in that business was made to look ungracious.
But she doesn't know that. She only knows how she feels upon leaving and as represented by the far more vivid representation she details of the critic's perspective, especially considering that she began her essay by regaling of the charming acceptance speech by Colin Firth or Michelle Williams' sweet presentation to Mark Ruffalo. It her point is that there was something mutually contemptible between critic and artist, I'm not sure that's coming across. If anything, she's just detailing her embarrassment of her chairman, and nothing about her duties as a critic.
"How's the despair?"
Oh, Armond.
I don't hate Armond White on principle, but that was totally classless. Apparently, according to some other sources, Annette Bening was crying in her acceptance speech, saying basically, "Can't we all just get along?"
I don't hate Armond White on principle, but that was totally classless. Apparently, according to some other sources, Annette Bening was crying in her acceptance speech, saying basically, "Can't we all just get along?"
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I guess that if we have such different takes on it, then the thing we can agree upon is that this is bad reporting.Big Magilla wrote:The way I read it is that the reporter, the one writing the article, is the one who is disdainful of the choice, whereas the insider thinks Ruffalo was a neat choice.
Another thing I gleaned from it is that the source is an older critic who refers to the Kids supporters as 'kids' themselves.
Maybe we'll get more info. in the coming days and weeks.
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I also picked up on the use of "kids." That's odd to me, though, since "Kids Are All Right" seems tome to be the kind of gay film that an older audience would like more than young hipsters.
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I think this is a huge overreaction. I can understand your being annoyed, but terrified?
I used that word mostly as a comparison with the effect Brokeback Mountain must have had on some Academy members back then.
But yes, I found the characters in the movie - I can't say anything about the real-life people they represent - like aliens to me, and aliens can be a bit scary.
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The way I read it is that the reporter, the one writing the article, is the one who is disdainful of the choice, whereas the insider thinks Ruffalo was a neat choice.
Another thing I gleaned from it is that the source is an older critic who refers to the Kids supporters as 'kids' themselves.
Maybe we'll get more info. in the coming days and weeks.
Another thing I gleaned from it is that the source is an older critic who refers to the Kids supporters as 'kids' themselves.
Maybe we'll get more info. in the coming days and weeks.
I read it differently than you, Big, and don't think the second part of the quote changes things. To me the speaker is criticizing the critics for trying to be "cool" by going for a "mellow" [buzz word!] actor who appears in independent films.Big Magilla wrote:The comment is taken out of context. The next sentence reads "But there's a mellow indie vibe to him that critics like."
It seems to me that the source was marveling at the independence of the critics to vote for someone who isn't a serious Oscar contender.
And Ruffalo is most certainly a serious Oscar contender this year.
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That does seem to be limited thinking on their part. Ruffalo is a well-respected, recognizable actor who has been solid in a number of roles since You Can Count on Me.Damien wrote:And there in a nutshell is what's wrong with the NY Film Critics and most other groups. What the hell difference does it make if he's going to be "mainstream." It shows that at least some of the people voting are just thinking about influencing the Oscars rather than deciding who and what might constitute the "best. Thank goodness the LA film critics clearly don't think that way.Big Magilla wrote:"Why a nomination for Mark Ruffalo?," marvels THR's source. "I don't think he'll ever be a mainstream movie star."
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