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I followed the leak story on Twitter and never bought it. If a leak is partially wrong, it’s not a leak.

Davis’s win wasn’t a shock. She’s one of the most acclaimed actresses in recent history, and the most Oscar nominated Black actress ever. Chicago 7 was wall-to-wall with name actors (whereas Minari had 5 characters), so its win wasn’t a shock either, especially without Nomadland there. The “leaks” could have been good predictions.

Btw, Andra Day is not some massive star. How is her fan base the most deranged? I’ll welcome an Oscar win for any of the other 4 nominees. No more Oscars for singer biopics for a while.

I’m a Seyfried fan but happy Youn won. Her winning the Oscar would be fine too. An Oscar for Balakova would age horribly and probably cap her career at 5 years max.
Mister Tee wrote:I think it's possible Viola is a major contender now...which, as you don't quite want to say, could cloud the issue -- especially for those who think it's time for another black best actress, but won't have a clear bead on who it should be.
It’s a problem that only one Black woman has won best actress. What’s bizarre to me is that a lot of people think the second should be Andra Day, not legend-in-the-making Viola Davis.
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Big Magilla wrote:Now, if the BAFTA goes to Alfre Woodard for a film that was not eligible for Oscar having been eligible in 2019, the conspiracy theorists will have a field day. It may be that BAFTA voters just liked her performance more than those of McDormand and Kirby. I know I did.
Woodard winning would be make the whole BAFTA experiment worth it. She gave the performance of her career in a powerful little film. Now that you said it, I want to see it happen so badly. :wink:
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As I've said many times, the SAG ensemble award is not a Best Picture award, it's a Best Ensemble Award and often goes to the film with the most actors among the nominees - sometimes that turns out to be Oscar's choice because of other factors best picture, sometimes it doesn't. It does not influence the outcome of the Oscars.

The big question is whether honoring people of color has real influence among actors in film, not TV where the awards all went to white actors and actresses. Was that intentional or merely coincidental? Kaluuya and Youn were clearly (to me anyway) the best in their categories. Boseman was the sentimental favorite. Was the group as a whole trying to make a statement or did they really love Davis' performance more than Mulligan's? Were they trying to say that Boseman wasn't just a sentimental favorite, that they really loved his performance and that of his co-star? Could it be that they just love the film she was in? I think that may well be the case.

August Wilson's plays aren't as beloved on this board as they are in some sectors of the population, but they are beloved by the liberal old guard. I know of at least one group of mostly white, mostly female, theatregoers in their 80s and 90s now, some of whom were shockingly Trump supporters, who are vehement supporters of all of Wilson's plays and who if they had a vote would probably have voted for Davis and not Mulligan or Day had she been a nominee. I don't know how many SAG-AFTRA members feel the same way, but that ensemble nomination is an indication that there might be a few.

Now, if the BAFTA goes to Alfre Woodard for a film that was not eligible for Oscar having been eligible in 2019, the conspiracy theorists will have a field day. It may be that BAFTA voters just liked her performance more than those of McDormand and Kirby. I know I did.
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Meantime, I think the awkward question you raise about Davis v. Day makes the situation even more murky. The Awards Watch kids have been all "Davis knocks out Mulligan, so now Day wins", which, when you get right down to it, is pretty patronizing to Viola. It reeks of "You did your job, now go home, and we'll give it to the other black actress". I think it's possible Viola is a major contender now...which, as you don't quite want to say, could cloud the issue -- especially for those who think it's time for another black best actress, but won't have a clear bead on who it should be.
I want to be very clear. I raised the question. I dd not say "Davis knocks out Mulligan, so now Day wins." Which is patronizing to Davis but also reminds me of Iowa 2016: The guy who came in second lost, the guy who came in third actually won."
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Four of the five Ensemble nominees were people-of-color-dominant -- and voters chose the all-white-man movie, Chicago 7. Even while giving all four acting prizes to people of color. I don't think we need to look too deeply at this; Chicago 7 almost surely won simply because it was actor-dominated with the largest cast. It's still hard for me to believe it's that much a best picture threat -- especially when, based on WGA, it appears to be trailing Promising Young Woman for screenplay. But I'm of course open to surprise.
The closest precedent I can think of to a so clearly written movie losing the WGA and coming back to win Best Picture is Green Book. It lost the WGA to Eighth Grade (good on that Guild) and came back despite losing out on a Best Director nomination (huh) to take the Oscar for Best Picture.
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Sabin wrote:- We're looking at the Golden Globes giving their award to Andra Day and Rosamund Pike, SAG to Viola Davis, and BAFTA... well, we don't know for sure, but it seems like Frances McDormand or Vanessa Kirby are the likeliest. So, we're looking at a race where no single major group agreed on the same performer. When was the last time that happened?

- Is there any precedent for these groups giving their awards to all different performers and then Oscar voters selecting someone different still? To say this doesn't help Carey Mulligan is an understatement.
I mock the Broadcast Critics as much as anyone, but, like it or not, they're part of the TV awards quad, and they DID pick Mulligan. If Mulligan's out of the race now, so is Bakalova, since the Broadcasters is the only group she's won.

Meantime, I think the weirdness of BAFTA this year makes their choice...I don't want to say irrelevant, but less dispositive than usual. Mulligan can't win there simply because she was boxed out of a nomination, by a set of guidelines that specifically worked against her (a Caucasian woman)...even while the general membership liked Promising Young Woman enough to give it one of the five nominations for best picture. She's kind of in the position Nomadland was in at WGA -- might have won, had she not been left off the ballot for arbitrary reasons. I'm not saying it's been a great season for Mulligan, but she's not in a hopeless situation.

Meantime, I think the awkward question you raise about Davis v. Day makes the situation even more murky. The Awards Watch kids have been all "Davis knocks out Mulligan, so now Day wins", which, when you get right down to it, is pretty patronizing to Viola. It reeks of "You did your job, now go home, and we'll give it to the other black actress". I think it's possible Viola is a major contender now...which, as you don't quite want to say, could cloud the issue -- especially for those who think it's time for another black best actress, but won't have a clear bead on who it should be.

Likely either McDormand or Kirby will win BAFTA. Which will, as far as I can see, leave no one as clear leader. It should be the sort of messy race we haven't had very often lately -- at best, recent contests have been, if not run-the-table, binary. This would be a 3-or-4-way contest, and those can lead to surprising results. Remember how Ex Machina came out of nowhere to win visual effects? That had something to do with Fury Road, The Force Awakens, The Martian and The Revenant all competing with no one taking clear focus. We haven't had anything like that in an acting category for a LONG time.

And one more thing: remember, Ma Rainey was very strong at SAG, getting an Ensemble nomination -- something Promising Young Woman (and Nomadland) failed to do. Its situation at the Oscars is quite different; there, it's a movie that failed at either best picture or best screenplay...where Nomadland is front-runner, and Promising Young Woman scored in all the glamour categories. All these things could end up factors.

On something besides best actress:

Four of the five Ensemble nominees were people-of-color-dominant -- and voters chose the all-white-man movie, Chicago 7. Even while giving all four acting prizes to people of color. I don't think we need to look too deeply at this; Chicago 7 almost surely won simply because it was actor-dominated with the largest cast. It's still hard for me to believe it's that much a best picture threat -- especially when, based on WGA, it appears to be trailing Promising Young Woman for screenplay. But I'm of course open to surprise.
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Also, The Trial of the Chicago 7 winning Best Ensemble Cast is just lousy news. This really does solidify it as the runner up, doesn't it? I was hoping that Minari might pick this award up and possibly sneak in as an Oscar underdog, but no. We're probably looking at Trial of the Chicago 7 vs. Nomadland, aren't we? And that really might point to The Trial of the Chicago 7 winning Best Picture.
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I'm very surprised by the result for Best Actress and what to make of Viola Davis' victory. Does that mean she's back in the race? That doesn't bother me. I think one could make the case that she gives the best performance in the lineup (and her most interesting nominated performance to date). But what to make of it?

- We're looking at the Golden Globes giving their award to Andra Day and Rosamund Pike, SAG to Viola Davis, and BAFTA... well, we don't know for sure, but it seems like Frances McDormand or Vanessa Kirby are the likeliest. So, we're looking at a race where no single major group agreed on the same performer. When was the last time that happened?

- Is there any precedent for these groups giving their awards to all different performers and then Oscar voters selecting someone different still? To say this doesn't help Carey Mulligan is an understatement.

- Here's a question. Don't call me a racist but how many of the people who voted for Viola Davis might end up voting for Andra Day when given the chance? I'm not going to ask "DOES VIOLA DAVIS WINNING MEAN ANDRA DAY IS GOING TO WIN?" because that's ludicrous.
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OscarGuy wrote:I wonder if Viola Davis hadn't had a prominent TV career if this outcome would have been different?
We're still in the early years post-merger, and we don't know whether adding a bunch of AFTRA members has significantly changed the sort of electorate these awards represent. Emily Blunt/A Quiet Place seemed to say one thing; Youn tonight perhaps another. I can make a case that Davis' win is due to 1) greater fame 2) the ease of Netflix 3) career love. Or it could be simply they liked her performance best. I still don't know exactly why Denzel won for Fences (or why that didn't carry over to the Oscars).

If you don't look in at the other boards, you may not know that there have been leaks over the past few days that, it turned out, were 80% right -- the Chicago 7 and Viola wins were successfully spoiled, along with the two sure things Boseman and Kaluuya. But the leak said Bakalova.

Where does this leave us? Kaluuya seems the most likely to sweep the TV 4 -- Anthony Hopkins has a good shot at upsetting Boseman at BAFTA, given The Father's best picture prominence there. But the two female categories are dynamite. Davis' win here tonight means we're guaranteed to go into the Oscars with 4 different lead actress winners (since McDormand and Kirby are the only Oscar nominees on BAFTA's list). When's the last time that happened? -- supporting actress 2007? BAFTA will likely make someone (Youn or Bakalova) a two-time winner headed to the Oscars, but that's still well short of the kind of locked-in thing we've seen so much of in recent years.

As for best picture...Nomadland is still the leader, but not a dominant one, having not been nominated in ensemble here, and having not competed at WGA (it's very debatable if it would have won if eligible). DGA is almost sure to come, and that plus PGA is a good foundation. But let's see if such a quintessentially American and offbeat film can win at BAFTA. I think Zhao is a sure thing, but best picture could go a number of ways.
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I wonder if Viola Davis hadn't had a prominent TV career if this outcome would have been different?
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Outstanding Performance by a Cast: The Trial of the Chicago 7
Outstanding Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role: Chadwick Boseman, Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
Outstanding Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role: Viola Davis, Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
Outstanding Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role: Daniel Kaluuya, Judas and the Black Messiah
Outstanding Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role: Youn Yuh-jung, Minari
Outstanding Performance by an Stunt Ensemble: Wonder Woman 1984
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