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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby ITALIANO » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:52 pm

flipp525 wrote:http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/02/27/432675/a-racially-awkward-night-at-the-oscars/?mobile=nc
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Sometimes racism is in our eyes, inside us. It was just an innocent line.

That's a piece full of confused, and confusing, paranoia. And why should Meryl Streep winning over Viola Davis be considered racist - as it implies?
I will be honest: had Viola Davis (undeservedly) won, THAT would have been a sign of racism.

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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby flipp525 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:38 pm

Mister Tee wrote:It was a joke, that Fred Willard was such an idiot the only thing he remembered about Wizard of Oz was flying monkeys and he holped there'd be more flying monkeys in the next movie he saw. There was nothing racist in it except what you've imagined.
Um, no, Mister Tee. I didn't imagine anything. Others noticed it, too: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/02 ... ?mobile=nc

By the way, he said he hoped that there'd be monkeys in the next film, not flying monkeys.

Is there a way you could possibly sound less smug the next time you respond to one of my posts?
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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby ITALIANO » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:30 pm

flipp525 wrote:
Greg wrote:
flipp525 wrote:What was up with that horribly racist joke about "monkeys" in Gone With the Wind?


It was about The Wizard of Oz, which I believe actually did have flying monkeys in it.

Nope, you must've missed it. At the end of The Wizard of Oz discussion, they moved along to say that they'd be discussing Gone With the Wind next week. At which point, Fred Ward asked, "Are there any monkeys in it?" It was a pre-recorded bit, so it could easily have been edited out. If I heard it, I know others must've.


I didn't hear it, but if so, why would it be racist?

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Postby Mister Tee » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:29 pm

flipp525 wrote:
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flipp525 wrote:What was up with that horribly racist joke about "monkeys" in Gone With the Wind?


It was about The Wizard of Oz, which I believe actually did have flying monkeys in it.

Nope, you must've missed it. At the end of The Wizard of Oz discussion, they moved along to say that they'd be discussing Gone With the Wind next week. At which point, Fred Ward asked, "Are there any monkeys in it?" It was a pre-recorded bit, so it could easily have been edited out. If I heard it, I know others must've.

It was a joke, that Fred Willard was such an idiot the only thing he remembered about Wizard of Oz was flying monkeys and he holped there'd be more flying monkeys in the next movie he saw. There was nothing racist in it except what you've imagined.

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Postby ITALIANO » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:23 pm

The usual, unexciting evening - nowadays, they seem just to be in a hurry to give all the awards as soon as possible. Years ago, there may have been doses of trash, but also memorable moments.

The results are ok. The Artist isn't the best movie of the year, true, but I like honesty, and I feel that The Artist is as sincere in its affection for movie as another recent Best Picture winner, The Hurt Locker - much praised even on this board - was sincere in its affection for war. We can't complain, I guess.

As for the acting prizes, if The Help had to win at least one Oscar - and it had to - Octavia Spencer was certainly the one who should have got it. I can't even say that she's a bad actress, she probably isn't and she has a few good moments in that movie (despite her role) - but honestly that standing ovation was truly absurd. (Being black doesn't seem to be a very good reason).

The three others are obviously very good, and Meryl Streep's third Oscar was one of the very few surprises of the evening, and a welcomed one. She will certainly win a fourth Oscar one day, but this national monument is worthy of three Oscars at least, and now she has them.

The only other real surprise was Best Editing. As for Best Cinematography, of course I hoped The Tree of Life would win, but knowing the Academy I thought it wasn't so sure, and I was actually relieved when, at least, it turned out to be Hugo's Paris in winter rather than War Horse's World War I sunsets.

And by honoring A Separation the Academy has shown that it can still see through propaganda, which is a good sign not only for the Oscars, but for America itself. For once, I guess that the movie was so obviously good that it couldn't be easily ignored, but I really feared the worst and was glad, for once, to be proven wrong.

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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby flipp525 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:16 pm

Greg wrote:
flipp525 wrote:What was up with that horribly racist joke about "monkeys" in Gone With the Wind?


It was about The Wizard of Oz, which I believe actually did have flying monkeys in it.

Nope, you must've missed it. At the end of The Wizard of Oz discussion, they moved along to say that they'd be discussing Gone With the Wind next week. At which point, Fred Ward asked, "Are there any monkeys in it?" It was a pre-recorded bit, so it could easily have been edited out. If I heard it, I know others must've.
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Postby Greg » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:59 pm

flipp525 wrote:What was up with that horribly racist joke about "monkeys" in Gone With the Wind?


It was about The Wizard of Oz, which I believe actually did have flying monkeys in it.
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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby flipp525 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:57 pm

nightwingnova wrote:It's hard for any artist to win all the Oscars they are due. In Streep's case, she may be right that she'll never win again. She'll certainly have to outdo herself here in order to win again.

She'll win again. For the adaptation of August: Osage County.
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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby nightwingnova » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:54 pm

It's hard for any artist to win all the Oscars they are due. In Streep's case, she may be right that she'll never win again. She'll certainly have to outdo herself here in order to win again.

So good for her. Appropriate win and helps make up for not winning for A Cry in the Dark, arguably her most haunting performance.

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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby flipp525 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:31 pm

What was up with that horribly racist joke about "monkeys" in Gone With the Wind?
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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby nightwingnova » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:25 pm

Predictability is to be expected when you've covered and predicted the awards to death. We've already figured out the sentiment.

Predictability is not bad when the choices are right. I'd rather have them make the right choices for the ages then to have them make bad ones to entertain us and give us something to carp about in the morning.


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Billy Crystal looked old and repetitive.
The In Memoriam sequence was, as usual, incomplete.
The awards were so predictible, except for Meryl´s win. (and some technical compensations for Hugo and The Girl...) She was the best thing of the night. Great specch. Fantastic lady!

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Re: Post-Oscar Reactions

Postby nightwingnova » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:10 pm

I found that I agreed with 11 winners in 18 categories this year. That's amazing!

Only consternation comes from the wins for Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Editing, Best Visual Effects and Best Costumes.

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Postby Jefforey Smith » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:16 pm

I just logged on & found out. I cannot believe it! Thanks....

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Postby ksrymy » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:08 pm

rolotomasi99 wrote:Holy shit, the ratings were up!

http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/oscar-ratings-2012/


Probably due to The Artist, there was a much larger French following this year.
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