2012 VeniceFilm Festival Winners

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Comparing the Cannes rules ot the Venice rules is like comparing a Lincoln showroom to a Lexus showroom. One has nothing to do with the other.

They could have given the Best Picture and Best Director prize to The Master and the acting prize to another film or the Best Picture and Best Actor prize ot The Master and Best Direcotr to another film. The Venice rule is that no film may recive more than one award NOT that teh film that is awarded Best Film can't win anything else like the new rule for Cannes.

The head of the jury was Michael Mann, an American director, who may have thought if he were in that situation he would have preferred the Best Director and Acting prizes for his films than a cobinaiton of Best Picture and one or the other two. Then maybe it was as simple a thing as having already told Philip Seymour Hoffman he was getting an acting prize, which is why he hopped on aplace and flew on a moment's notice to Venice. Imagine telling him upon his arrival that the prize had been snatched away.
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Mmm... Big Magilla, hello? Sit down for one moment and think. This rule didn't prevent Amour from getting the Golden Palm despite the fact that most thought that it was brilliantly acted (by two great local stars) and deserving of acting and even directing awards. IF the Venice jury (whose head - and the head of the jury usually has a very big power - was an American( had really thought that The Master was the best movie, they would have certainly given it the Golden Lion, even if that meant no acting prize. But they gave it the Silver Lion, which is the second-place award, because they felt it was the second-best movie - it's simple. No conspiracy. Next time this American journalist should do like true journalists do and name his "unnamed sources" (but then I'm sure it would be a different article).
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ITALIANO wrote:
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Also the article makes clear that this year the jury thought The Master the superior work but reluctantly chose to give Pieta the top prize so as to protect the acting and directing awards to The Master.

Not exactly. It makes it clear that its writer think so, but where are the proofs? He doesnt even know the festival rules well. He's just a disappointed American journalist.
He's quoting "un-named sources".

I would agree that Pieta has received unanimous rave reviews whereas The Master has received mostly good, but not unanimous, reviews, and who knows what my own opinion will be after I've seen both, but Ithat doesn't mean the jury didn't think The Master the superior film. If they didn't, they wouldn't have named it the year's best and took away the honor only because they were told they couldn't give three awards to the same film?

Why would a jury do that? Only if it they thought that the other two prizes were so clearly better than the runners-up, whereas the Best Picture choice gave them more options.
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Big Magilla wrote:
Also the article makes clear that this year the jury thought The Master the superior work but reluctantly chose to give Pieta the top prize so as to protect the acting and directing awards to The Master.

Not exactly. It makes it clear that its writer think so, but where are the proofs? He doesnt even know the festival rules well. He's just a disappointed American journalist.
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It's neither an American nor European thing, it's an egomaniacal thing on the part of the jury president and the herd following that goes along with his assinine gesture to his ex-girlfriend.

Also the article makes clear that this year the jury thought The Master the superior work but reluctantly chose to give Pieta the top prize so as to protect the acting and directing awards to The Master.
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Mister Tee wrote:So...there's a little more to this story.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/v ... ter-368892

Every year there's a story like this. Still, for once, it's not an anti-American conspiracy. Simply (and I'm not sure that it's a right thing) the most recent rules of the Venice festival - and I think of Cannes, too - prevent the movie getting the Golden Lion - or the Golden Palm - from receiving any other award. This is why, for example, Trintignant and Riva were empty-handed last May. Plus, another rule forbids ties for the Golden Lion, the Silver Lion and the Jury Prize (till last year, ties were forbidden even for the Acting awards but the new director of the festival has canceled that). So what happened is that both Pieta (whose reviews are unanimously wonderful) and The Master (whose reviews are partly wonderful and partly good yet slightly disappointed) were much-beloved by the jury, but one, and only one, had to win the most important prize, and the other movie - the one considered to be slightly less deserving but still very good - was amply rewared with two major awards. Ok, it's an American movie - but can I be honest? After Sofia Coppola winning two years ago, I think Americans should be prevented from winning the Golden Lion for at least ten years... :)
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So...there's a little more to this story.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/v ... ter-368892
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VENICE (Reuters) - South Korean movie "Pieta", an ultra-violent story of a loan shark confronted by a mysterious woman claiming to be his mother, won the Golden Lion award for best picture at the Venice film festival on Saturday.

The victory will prove popular on the Lido waterfront, where Pieta was one of the hot favorites to scoop the top prize from among 18 main competition films.

Also cheered will be the best actor award that was shared by Hollywood heavyweights Philip Seymour Hoffman and Joaquin Phoenix for their performances in "The Master", a film loosely based on the founding days of the Church of Scientology.

Hoffman flew to Venice and rushed from the airport to receive the award on his and Phoenix's behalf, and apologized for his disheveled appearance.

He also accepted the Silver Lion for Paul Thomas Anderson, who directed the movie.

Austria's Ulrich Seidl was awarded the runner-up Special Jury Prize for "Paradies: Glaube" ("Paradise: Faith"), and best actress went to Hadas Yaron for Israeli picture "Fill the Void".

The screenplay award was won by Olivier Assayas of France for his 1970s political drama "Apres Mai", and Italy's Daniele Cipri was named the winner of the cinematography category for "E Stato Il Figlio".

(Reporting by Mike Collett-White; Editing by Sophie Hares)
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