Not often. I haven't read the book nor obviously seen the film so I don't have an opinion as to whether this is one of those "either or" performances that could fit in either category but that trailer sure does make her look like a lead.
If, however, her story is almost completely shown in flashbacks with young David Kross, who has no hope of being elevated to lead, and has one brief, perhaps even non-speaking part opposite Fiennes at the end, then the argument in favor of making her a supporting player isn't all that far-fetched even if her placement is based on Oscar strategy by old Harvey.
I would like to know, though, what dreMaker has to say about the positioning now that he's seen the finished film. His previous comment was based on the rough cut.
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But they will...how often do they go against what the studio is pushing?Big Magilla wrote:The Weinstein Company is promoting Ralph Fiennes as lead, David Kross and Kate Winslet as supporting. It doesn't mean AMPAS voters have to go along with them. Precursors may help resolve the matter.
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Having watched the trailer today, while it certainly looks fascinating, I would say there is an easy case to be made for Winslet's character to be supporting. Screen time isn't the only qualification of a supporting description. From this from, while it doesn't look like Fiennes would be lead either, it seems that the story is his since he's telling it in flashback. So, perhaps his younger self is the only lead.
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I hear he plays the never-nude Nazi very well!Sabin wrote:i would say it is david cross, who plays young michael.
That would probably be the one thing that would get me more interested in this film. If David Cross was in it.
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sorry. david kross...with a k.Sabin wrote:i would say it is david cross, who plays young michael.
That would probably be the one thing that would get me more interested in this film. If David Cross was in it.
is this who you mean sabin?
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blasphemy!Penelope wrote:Well, rolo, I'd rather Kate not be nominated at all than be nominated in the wrong category.
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Penelope wrote:paperboy wrote:Fiennes is definitely going Supporting as well. Does this make 'The Reader' the first non-ensemble film with no discernible lead?
There IS a discernable lead; it's just that Harvey wants us to believe that the leading lady is actually supporting, which is utterly ridiculous.
just from the trailer it seems pretty obvious who the lead is. i would say it is david cross, who plays young michael. at least from the trailer, winslet is supporting his character. there does not seem to be a single scene with her in it that is not from his point of view. he has several scenes on his own, but she only seems to be on the screen when he is involved. even the trial, which is all about her crimes, is literally from his visual perspective.
i think we are all being very bias by assuming the lead of this movie has to be one of the two big name stars. i would say fiennes and winslet are supporting, while cross is lead. this is his movie, his story. fiennes is just there as older michael to be a framing device, like penelope said. hanna is definitely the object the story is about, while michael is the subject. hanna is like the mcguffin hitchcock always talks about. she is the "thing" that drives the movie, but the main character of the story is young michael.
much like another ralph fiennes movie, THE CONSTANT GARDENER, we have a leading lady who will probably be nominated (and possibly even win) in the supporting category. it may not be accurate, but if it means the (let me see if i have this right) goddess known to us mere mortals as kate is nominated twice and wins for at least one...then i am fine with her being nominated in supporting for THE READER.
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He's said scant little else though. I'd like to see at least a mini-review of the film from the one person on this board who's purportedly seen it.Penelope wrote:If you scroll down, dreaMaker did agree with my statement that Winslet should be considered Lead; and on the second page of this thread, he also says that Fiennes is Supporting.
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If you scroll down, dreaMaker did agree with my statement that Winslet should be considered Lead; and on the second page of this thread, he also says that Fiennes is Supporting.
Based only on the trailer, it seems that Fiennes only appears as a framing device, though he probably has extensive scenes in the final act of the film.
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