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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:10 am
by ITALIANO
And - again - I said it. I thought that, LIKE IN JENNIFER HUDSON'S CASE (I can shout it, I'm not afraid), this non-professional actress's peculiarities could be mistaken for real talent, or intentionally used to get sympathy and the votes (or the critical approval) that sympathy sometimes brings. I was relieved to see that the performance - while certainly relying on these things - had some good aspects in itself. All this can be considered racist only by someone who sees racism where it doesn't exist, maybe because it's inside himself.
Surprising especially from someone like you who's definitely not a racist.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:55 am
by Sonic Youth
ITALIANO wrote:By the way, you'll notice that I had just made the comparison based on the talent;
Aha! And that was exactly the basis of my response.
See? You DIDN'T get it.
You said "I expected something really bad a la Jennifer Hudson"? Why? What do the two have in common that you expected an identically bad performance, as if the two were expected to be alike in terms of acting quailty, style, or aesthetic? What is it that makes you ponder the two of them and consider "They all act alike to me"?
I mean, not even the roles were similar. So it must have been something.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:42 am
by ITALIANO
I guess we simply don't think that comparing two actresses who have some things in common (including, why not, race - or is it a taboo subject?) and who VERY POSSIBLY were honored at least partly for these things, or used in their movies for these reasons, is a major crime.
By the way, you'll notice that I had just made the comparison based on the talent; it was Sonic Youth's mind which THOUGHT of those "other" reasons and, in a typical way (a non-direct joke), provoked me to say them openly - which, of course, I did without any problem. But it was all already in his mind.
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:27 am
by Okri
Yeah, Uri and Italiano, I have to side with SY on this one. I'd be curious to see how racial identities circulate in Italy/Israel, but you missed the mark on this one.
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:54 am
by ITALIANO
Thanks Uri. But I'm afraid they will never change.
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:22 am
by Sonic Youth
Uri wrote:Sonic Youth wrote:LOL, he doesn't get it at all.
Never mind. Have a great Oscar night, Marco!
He's getting it. It's those who hoity toitily believe in the feasibility of people being color blind that pretend not to get it. The accolades showered on these two young, inexperienced ladies had everything to do with the color of their skin and the volume of their body and the color (and way too often lack of body volume) of the majority of those who voted themselves and the way it made them feel good about themselves.
You're right. You got it.
It was one hundred percent NOT the point I was making at all, so technically you didn't even come close to getting it. But you got it.
Up is down! Good night!
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:04 am
by Uri
Sonic Youth wrote:LOL, he doesn't get it at all.
Never mind. Have a great Oscar night, Marco!
He's getting it. It's those who hoity toitily believe in the feasibility of people being color blind that pretend not to get it. The accolades showered on these two young, inexperienced ladies had everything to do with the color of their skin and the volume of their body and the color (and way too often lack of body volume) of the majority of those who voted themselves and the way it made them feel good about themselves.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:11 pm
by ITALIANO
I do get it, trust me.
You too.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:48 pm
by Sonic Youth
LOL, he doesn't get it at all.
Never mind. Have a great Oscar night, Marco!
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:55 pm
by ITALIANO
I'm not American, so I'm not afraid of saying that a person is black or fat or EVEN (in tne case of Jennifer Hudson) a bad actress. Maybe because, Sonic Youth, I don't think that being black or being fat are negative terms. You do, it seems. But this is your problem.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:36 pm
by Sonic Youth
ITALIANO wrote:Bog wrote:Sonic Youth wrote:
Is it because they're both tall?
well done SY...had me laughing
I found it stupid. They are both black, not slim and probably have other things in common - why shouldn't compare them? Not politically correct? Spare me.
No, you're right. There's the Stanislavsky aesthetic, the Lee Strasberg aesthetic, the Uta Hagen aesthetic, and the Sanford Meisner aesthetic. And then there's that school of the performing arts that those obese darkies hail from.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:15 pm
by Bog
Well hell, they're basically the same person.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:02 pm
by ITALIANO
Big Magilla wrote: Her nomination was 43 years ago.
43 years ago was in the 60s then, like I said.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:59 pm
by ITALIANO
Bog wrote:Sonic Youth wrote:ITALIANO wrote:and I found Sidibe better than I expected - though to be honest I expected something really bad a la Jennifer Hudson.
Is it because they're both tall?
well done SY...had me laughing
I found it stupid. They are both black, not slim and probably have other things in common - why shouldn't compare them? Not politically correct? Spare me.
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:56 pm
by Big Magilla
Jocelyne LaGarde was not recent. Her nomination was 43 years ago. She's been dead for over thirty years.
I liked her. I also liked Sidibe, but her gushing "I still don't know anything" speech at the Spirit Awards leads me to think that Lee Daniels is a genius with actors even if his sense of style is lacking.