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Postby Precious Doll » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:25 am

Next Saturday week I'm going to a talk being given by Ronan Farrow titled 'Finding the truth'. It will be interesting to see how much time he spends speaking on his investigations into the allegations against Harvey Weinstein. There will be no Q&A as far as I know.
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Postby Sabin » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:35 pm

The minute I saw this story in the news yesterday, my first thought was: "Get ready for more conversation than this board has seen in a while."

The older I get, my favorite response to any question has become "What's your point?" And for many people, everybody's point about Asia Argento is very clear. I trust I don't even need to say it. To quote from Slate: "Will these new revelations “undermine #MeToo,” as some have fretted? Probably only in corners that were eager to see the movement undermined anyway."

My position on the Me Too movement remains largely unchanged, that this was a process that was ultimately going to sort itself out. I'll add one significant caveat: man, we are a planet of trolls, aren't we? There is no past-time more enjoyed than pointing one's finger and saying "SEE???" I used to love trolls. I used to find them hilarious. Now... goddamn.

But to recap:
Roughly 95 of the 100 people (or whatever) outed during the Me Too Movement are pieces of shit that deserve to be outed and done with. It remains a remarkable batting average. Find me a quote of somebody saying on this board that the Me Too Movement was never going to be a messy, complicated process. It's already moved on to unpacking celebrity social media sins and James Gunn will never be rehired by Disney again. Just like people of color utilizing social media to share their horrendous experiences with the rest of us, women speaking out about their past abuses was technologically inevitable if not a very good -- if not essential -- thing. But of course, it would be disingenuous to claim that much of what is happening now is not influenced by the fact that our President is a horrifying misogynist who defeated not just the first woman nominated by a major party but one who happens to be as qualified for office as her opponent was unqualified. It would also be disingenuous to say that everything would be happening in the same way if Hillary Clinton was the President. "Trump Derangement Disorder" is an ugly name for a very real thing. But you're all intelligent people. You know that a version of The Me Too Movement was always going to happen. Like so many things under Trump's reign, it's happening a lot shittier than it should be. So, it's up to us to make it less shitty. Not through speaking truth. I hate that phrase. But by speaking empathy as well rationale measured thinking.

I don't know what being "a leader of the Me Too Movement" means. It doesn't come with a pension or a corner office. It seems to me that what it means is speaking out about being raped with a big microphone.
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Postby ITALIANO » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:25 pm

I hope that the latest news about Asia Argento aren't true. She still hasn't commented on then.

A few months ago I was viciously attacked by some here (and, I must admit, defended by others). I was called pro-rape and some proclaimed that I should be banned from this board. It was, needless to say, very embarassing - a sort-of witch-hunt, headed by fanatics.

But I know Asia Argento. I like her, but I know that she is... well, here I can only say that she's a very emotional woman. VERY emotional. And when I saw that she was considered to be a reliable representative of a cause which by the way I personally believe in, I simply tried to open people's eyes, knowing even too well that a wrong testimonial can damage even the most important and just cause.

Which is unfortunately what's happening today in Italy. Those who attacked Argento in the past are now having a field day. But they are wrong, of course. Because whatever Asia Argento did to that teenage actor (IF it is true) doesn't make what Weinstein did to her and others less terrible. IF and most crucially IN THOSE CASES WHEN he did that. Most importantly, it can't be used to belittle the issue of sexual harassment, especially, let me say it, when it doesn't happen in show-business, but in offices, firms, factories, schools, churches, homes.When it happens to real women (and, less frequently to real men). The stars who wear black, who moved so many on this board to tears, don't have the same effect on me, sorry.

I said - and I was, again, attacked - that this is a risky subject, one where it's not always black-and-white, but often grey, an area where truth may be less easy to decipher, and innocent or at least non-aggressive gestures can be misunderstood, not intentionally maybe. I said - and again the crazed puritans attacked me - that each episode must be considered individually, treated separatedly, and analyzed carefully, because ambiguity is always dangerous and can destroy lives. Nobody here back then understood what I meant. Maybe today someone does.

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Postby Big Magilla » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:38 am

The details of this are the as bad as the worst we have heard of the men plying underage girls with alcohol and then raping them.

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Postby Precious Doll » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:24 am

dws1982 wrote:Asia Argento, a #MeToo Leader, Made a Deal With Her Own Accuser

Argento is alleged (or maybe not alleged--NY Times says they have the documents) to have paid $380,000 to a former child actor named Jimmy Bennett, who accused her of sexually assaulting him when he was 17. Bennett played her son (when he was around 7 or 8) in The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things.


People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones they say but I'm afraid they usually do. If this story is true its a punch in the gut for the MeToo movement. When rightfully accusing H.W. she should have disclosed this at the same time (if true). It was bound to come out but she would have suffered less backlash than she is going to get with the revelation now.
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Postby Precious Doll » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:19 am

Sabin wrote:She’ll drop out by end of day or tomorrow. I have no difficulty believing she didn’t know. Jessica Chastain strikes me as a very kind but somewhat clueless person. She had zero idea about the pay gap between white actresses and actresses of color until Octavia Spencer informed her. Admittedly, she took immediate action when she found out.


It took a week for Newton to be dropped as director from the project, though given he has written the screenplay one cannot 'unwrite' that. Interestingly Jessica Chastain, despite requests for comment on this has provided nothing. Absolute silence - not always a bad idea but given she has been so vocal in the past, one would have expected something. I have a feeling she won't be making any public comments about ItsTime for sometime. I know I have lots of questions I would like to ask her.

It appears that the 'dropping out' announcement has been left to Newton: https://variety.com/2018/film/news/jess ... 202901812/

I doubt this film will ever be made by Chastain but if Newton can raise money somehow he still may be able to make it.
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Postby dws1982 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:32 am

Asia Argento, a #MeToo Leader, Made a Deal With Her Own Accuser

Argento is alleged (or maybe not alleged--NY Times says they have the documents) to have paid $380,000 to a former child actor named Jimmy Bennett, who accused her of sexually assaulting him when he was 17. Bennett played her son (when he was around 7 or 8) in The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things.

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Postby Sabin » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:09 pm

She’ll drop out by end of day or tomorrow. I have no difficulty believing she didn’t know. Jessica Chastain strikes me as a very kind but somewhat clueless person. She had zero idea about the pay gap between white actresses and actresses of color until Octavia Spencer informed her. Admittedly, she took immediate action when she found out.
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Postby Precious Doll » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:16 am

Well, Jessica Chastain who is one of the most passionate and vocal supports of #ItsTime has found herself in a tight corner:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/a ... hew-newton

I'd wager she never had any checks made on Matthew Newton. Newton has been big news in Australia for a number of years primarily because he is the child of entertainment royalty Bert & Patti Newton. The usual excuses are trotted out and there would be little doubt that there is a degree of truth to root cause of his problems. However some other factors come that may have also come into play that the media (to my knowledge) never mention:

1) Spoilt brat who always got what he wanted as a child;
2) Disappointment and/or frustration of his career in Australian taking off the way he would like it to make also have played a role in his behaviour.

He is virtually blacklisted from the Australian entertainment industry so its so wonder he has been working in the U.S. which leads me to the question - why doesn't the US throw back people like that to where they came from. To put it bluntly if Matthew Newtown was not an Australian citizen he would have been booted out of the country and marked as never to be allowed back in. Australia exports thousands of people on the basis of failing the character test if they do not have citizenship - I think in some cases they may even strip people of their citizenship. Its very odd that the US lets him live and work there.

Anyway, will be interesting to see how Jessica Chastain is going to handle this one.
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Reza » Fri May 25, 2018 6:04 pm

Precious Doll wrote:This is beyond creepy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i62GcGDgI4


Well this woman jabbering on and on sounds equally creepy.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Precious Doll » Fri May 25, 2018 8:17 am

Looks like the allegations made at George Takei may be false after all. I'm not surprised as they didn't seem too convincing in the first place. Nice to have George cleared.

http://www.towleroad.com/2018/05/george ... l-assault/
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Postby Precious Doll » Fri May 25, 2018 5:53 am

"I have no interest in all of that. I find that all tabloid stupidity" Woody Allen, The Guardian, 2014, in response to his adopted daughter's allegations.

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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Reza » Thu May 24, 2018 7:12 pm

Greg wrote:Moses Farrow claims that there was never any sexual contact between Woody Allen and Dylan:

http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.sg/2018/05/ ... w.html?m=1


Joan Crawford was a pussycat compared to this revelation about Mia Farrow.

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Postby Greg » Thu May 24, 2018 2:18 pm

Moses Farrow claims that there was never any sexual contact between Woody Allen and Dylan:

http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.sg/2018/05/ ... w.html?m=1
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Re: Web of Sex Scandals

Postby Precious Doll » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:15 am

Numerous allegations against Kim Ki Duk and frequent leading man Cho Jae-hyeon.

The Guardian needs more editors. Kim's film Moebius is from 2013 not 2004.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/m ... pe-assault
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