Sabin wrote:Actually, I misspoke. criddic3, I want you to hear me out...
You say:criddic3 wrote
There are still plenty of Republicans, both in office and in the rank & file, who are vocally opposed to President Trump. Fighting from within is the only good option short of splitting the party in two.
1) Who cares about splitting the party in two when both sides are going down with the ship? You're losing states in the reddest states in the union. You're on the Titanic. Who cares about preserving the hull or whatever?
2) Unless tragedy befalls him, the only people who can do anything about President Trump is the Republican Party. Fifty years from now, what chapter would you rather read? "Under President Trump, Republicans suffered large defeats in both houses..." or "In an unprecedented move, the Republican party stood up to President Trump and moved to impeach him, costing them a base of support, but they were able to regroup under President Pence and rally behind him in his bid for reelection?" What would make you proud?
3) I want to go back to "splitting the party in two." I understand why in some ways that's bad for your party. But every day you keep this ship afloat, more Holocaust deniers and race-baiters jump aboard. This is only happening with the Republican party. More and more white supremacists look at the Republican party and like what it has to offer them. I want to underline that last sentence because whatever words that your elected Republicans are saying against Trump's message isn't being heard by the the worst people our country has to offer. In your heart, do you honestly think once Trump is out, the party will go back to the simpler, more moderate days of...The Tea Party? The neo-cons?
I want you to ask yourself something: who will run for office in your party after all the Holocaust deniers have their shot? What comes next?
4) Finally, on a personal note, I'm a Jew. My grandmother is a Holocaust survivor. Do you think there's a chance I would remain in the Democratic Party if half of them supported an anti-Semitic candidate? If a third of them did? Or if they stood behind a Holocaust denier? We all have a line we cannot cross with the rank and file. Where's yours, dude? When do you say "This party isn't for me anymore"?
That's a lot to unravel. Should I take them one by one or simply react to your overall comment?
I am particularly appalled by the lack of outrage in the party that people like Arthur Jones of Illinois and Kris Kobach of Kansas are running. Jones is part of an unsettling trend of Holocaust deniers and race-baiters, as you mentioned, that are running unopposed in their districts. Kobach is a hardliner on immigration in a way that will eventually lose the party more support than it gains. He is running for Governor, though he could lose the primary to the incumbent, former Lt. Governor Jeff Colyer. Even if my paternal father's family hadn't been Jewish and my stepfather didn't come from a mixed Jewish/Catholic family, I'd be disturbed by this. Republicans were traditionally against discrimination and was founded by abolitionists in the 1850s. That legacy has been eroding for some time now, but I never thought I'd see such a lack of any kind of real reaction to what is going on now.
Having Trump removed from office or seeing Trump soundly rejected in the midterms? Why not both?? If Republicans lose both houses of Congress (not in any way guaranteed), Trump could very well be impeached/convicted and Pence would start out as a lame-duck heading towards a dicey 2020 election.
In that scenario I really don't know what happens to the party. The same voters who liked Trump will be there. Either they will be so angered by Trump's removal that they vote for a similar candidate in 2020 or they become so embarrassed by his failure that they stay home. If they stay home and we get a worthwhile candidate, will that be enough in the general? And if it is, what would that mean for the image of the party? Does the Trump experiment become a wound that heals over time or is there a larger problem that can't be fixed overnight??