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Postby Big Magilla » Sat May 31, 2008 3:34 pm

The rule for this game is year of release in country of origin as opposed to the other contest in which the rule is year of Oscar eligibility, making both Aguirre, teh Wrath fo God and Last Tango in Paris eligible in 1972 for purposes of this game.

I don't know why we can't have a foreign film category for this game if we're going by date of release in country of origin as opposed to the murky rules of Oscar eligibility within that category for the other contest, but that would necessitate a rules change.

Also, if we're going to have a foreign film category then we shuldn't be allowed to have our cake and eit it, too. Anyone choosing a foreign film for their best picture choice should not be allowed to make an additoinal nomination for best foreign film. I would suggest if we have a foreign film category then we limit best picture nomiantions to English language films but that would probably go against the grain of some of the participants.

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Postby Sabin » Sat May 31, 2008 1:53 pm

Is 'Last Tango in Paris' from 1972 or 1973? I know its Oscar eligibility was in 73.

Also, what year is 'Aguirre' eligible?




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Postby Reza » Sat May 31, 2008 1:26 pm

What about a separate Foreign Film category? Or do we just bunch all films in the Best Picture section?



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Postby Big Magilla » Sat May 31, 2008 11:13 am

Hustler, the object of the game is to add to those already listed, not second a nomination already made. Almost all your selections have already been made by others. I know you have more you can add.

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Postby Hustler » Sat May 31, 2008 9:34 am

Best Picture
Cabaret

Best Direction
Luis Buñuel, Le Charme discret de la Burgeoisie

Best Actor
Marlon Brando, The Last Tango In Paris

Best Actress
Liv Ullmann, Cries and Whispers

Best Supporting Actor
Joel Grey, Cabaret

Best Supporting Actres
Eileen Heckhart, Butterflies Are Free

Best Ensemble
The Godfather

Best Original Screenplay
Le Charme discret de la Burgeoisie

Best Adapted Screenplay
The Godfather

Best Original Score
Last Tango in Paris

Best Original Song
Ben

Best Editing
The Godfather

Best Cinematography
The Last Tango In Paris

Best Art Direction
Cabaret

Best Costume Design
The Godfather

Best Makeup
Cabaret

Best Sound
Cabaret

Best Sound Effects
The Godfather

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Postby OscarGuy » Sat May 31, 2008 9:09 am

Yes, there's a Best Ensemble at the SAG awards.

The category was intended for work outside of the standard categories, such as Best Titles Sequence, Best Stunt Coordination, Best Scene, Best Choreography, Best Adapted Song, Best Adapted Score, etc.
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Postby Reza » Sat May 31, 2008 8:21 am

Big Magilla wrote:
barrybrooks8 wrote:For "Special Citation", maybe we could include small roles that don't even seem big enough to include in the Supporting category.

Good idea, but I don't think any of these roles are "special" enough to warrant a citation unless it's for someone who appears in multiple "small" roles within a given year.

I would suggest instead that we add a regular category and call it best cameo. Maybe Morgana King or Al Martino in The Godfather would be a good candidate for this year.

Manolis, "the supporting cast" of Sleuth might warrant a special citation. Let's not forget Margo Channing as the wife.

All this time I thought the special citation category meant a special career / honorary award to an individual. And here we are talking about cameo appearances etc. Which is it?

Is there also a category of Best Ensemble cast a la the SAGs?

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Postby OscarGuy » Sat May 31, 2008 7:43 am

Big Magilla wrote:Murmur of the Heart is a 1971 film.

Among the eligible original screenplays are The Discreet Charm of the Bourgoisie, Fellini's Roma, The Candidate, The Culpepper Cattle Company, Junior Bonner, J.W. Coop, The King of Marvin Gardens, Lady Sings the Blues, Young Winston, Avanti!, Heat and Images.

Then tell me why it was nominated for the Academy Award in 1972?
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Postby Big Magilla » Sat May 31, 2008 6:51 am

barrybrooks8 wrote:For "Special Citation", maybe we could include small roles that don't even seem big enough to include in the Supporting category.

Good idea, but I don't think any of these roles are "special" enough to warrant a citation unless it's for someone who appears in multiple "small" roles within a given year.

I would suggest instead that we add a regular category and call it best cameo. Maybe Morgana King or Al Martino in The Godfather would be a good candidate for this year.

Manolis, "the supporting cast" of Sleuth might warrant a special citation. Let's not forget Margo Channing as the wife.

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Postby Cinemanolis » Sat May 31, 2008 5:18 am

barrybrooks8 wrote:For "Special Citation", maybe we could include small roles that don't even seem big enough to include in the Supporting category.

In a parallel universe my choices would be

Alec Cawthorne as Inspector Doppler in 'Sleuth'

The 'Butter' in 'Last Tango In Paris'

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Postby barrybrooks8 » Sat May 31, 2008 3:11 am

For "Special Citation", maybe we could include small roles that don't even seem big enough to include in the Supporting category. I have always wanted to include a category of these in my year-end lists, but there never seems to be enough. Some that come to mind for me include Allison Janney in Juno, Allison Janney in American Beauty, Betty Buckley in Carrie, Kirstie Alley in Deconstructing Harry, Joel Grey in Dancer in the Dark, Dan Ackroyd in the House of Mirth, and a guilty pleasure movie, Jeanene Garafolo in Romy and Michele's High School Reunion.
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Postby Big Magilla » Sat May 31, 2008 12:20 am

Murmur of the Heart is a 1971 film.

Among the eligible original screenplays are The Discreet Charm of the Bourgoisie, Fellini's Roma, The Candidate, The Culpepper Cattle Company, Junior Bonner, J.W. Coop, The King of Marvin Gardens, Lady Sings the Blues, Young Winston, Avanti!, Heat and Images.

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Postby OscarGuy » Fri May 30, 2008 11:04 pm

Picture
The Godfather

Directing
Francis Ford Coppola - The Godfather

Actor
Marlon Brando - The Godfather

Actress
Liv Ullmann - The New Land

Supporting Actor
James Caan - The Godfather

Supporting Actress
Shelley Winters - The Poseidon Adventure

Ensemble
The Poseidon Adventure

Original Screenplay
Murmur of the Heart (haven't seen it, but Malle is a legend and it seems like it's very well respected)

Adapted Screenplay
Cabaret

Original Score
The Godfather

Original Song
"The Morning After" - The Poseidon Adventure

Editing
The Godfather

Cinematography
The Godfather

Art Direction
The Poseidon Adventure

Costume Design
Cabaret

Makeup
Cabaret

Sound
The Poseidon Adventure

Sound Effects
The Poseidon Adventure

Visual Effects
Hmmm...I can't even think of anything big on VFX other than Poseidon...

Special Citation
None
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Postby Cinemanolis » Fri May 30, 2008 8:17 pm

Best Picture
Cabaret

Best Direction
Ingmar Bergman , Cries and Whispers

Best Actor
Marlon Brando, The Last Tango In Paris

Best Actress
Joanne Woodward, The Effects of Gamma Rays on Man on the Moon Marigolds

Best Supporting Actor
Joel Grey, Cabaret

Best Supporting Actress
Eileen Heckhart, Butterflies Are Free

Best Ensemble
The Godfather

Best Original Screenplay
What's Up Doc?

Best Adapted Screenplay
The Godfather

Best Original Score
State of Siege

Best Original Song
"Mein Herr' from Cabaret (it was nominated for a Golden Globe so i assume it's eligible)

Best Editing
Cabaret

Best Cinematography
The Last Tango In Paris

Best Art Direction
Roma

Best Costume Design
Travels with My Aunt

Best Makeup
Sleuth

Best Sound
Solaris

Best Sound Effects
Solaris

Best Visual Effects
... no choice...

Special Citation
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Postby rudeboy » Fri May 30, 2008 12:42 pm

Sounds good to me - thanks, Magilla. I wouldn't have wanted to miss the opportunity to reward one of the great films of the 70s.


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