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Postby Big Magilla » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:24 am

From the Criterion Collection DVD notes:

"The timing of Army of Shadows' initial French release, in the fall of 1969, could not have been worse. Most serious French critics, including those of the influential Cahiers du cinema, savaged the film for what they saw as its glorification of General Charles de Gaulle, who, then president, was despised as the betrayer of the May 1968 student rising. De Gaulle, in fact, is a marginal figure in this French resistance saga, and Melville depicts him with an irony that makes it clear his heroism would not outlive the extreme circumstances in which the war had placed him. Given the enormous influence Cahiers du cinema had over American art-film programmers and distributors during the heyday of the French new wave, it's not surprising the was ignored here for so long."
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Postby Mister Tee » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:59 am

Can anyone fill me in on the details of why Army of Shadows was held for release until recently? I apparently missed the discussion when it opened, and am curious about it.

I can certainly understand the film being controversial in 1969. Even now most people speak of the French resistance in only the most glowing, heroic terms. This film takes a, if not niilist, certainly fatalist view: that much of the work they did was futile, that the Brits didn't seem to much respect it, and that, within their own worlds, they made many judgments that were morally questionable. That would have been quite alot to swallow back then.

I can equally see why the NY critics were so eager to honor it now. It's got such scope, covers such ground in both plot and moral terms, that it dwarfs most anything I've seen this year. I found particularly interesting the way Melville seemed to opt to downplay suspense conventions. Not that there aren't fascinating caper-ish sections of the film, but even within them, I had a sense he was adding beats to prevent the sequences becoming gripping in the familiar cinematic ways. Given Melville's established success in the supense genre, I have to feel this was deliberate: that he was trying to convey, alongside the futility, the sheer sense of tedium that filled the days of these brave folk.

Oh, and the print looks great -- few famous films from the same era have survived in as impressive a fashion.

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Postby Okri » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:05 pm

Before the Rains: Beautiful, sensual and adjectives like that. I wanted to leap into the screen to feel that atmosphere. Plot's okay, but almost besides the point. 7/10

Synecdoche, New York: Boring. Dull. Moments of Beauty. Boring again. Insanely solipsistic. 4/10

Wanted: So so so stupid. But I had fun. Morally deplorable (Penelope, if you had problems with The Dark Knight, please skip this film). James McAvoy's clearly enjoying himself. Very well paced, so that you don't pay too much attention to everything that's wrong with it. 7/10, except it's more like 5/10 but I saw this right after Synecdoche and was feeling generous.

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Postby Penelope » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:44 pm

Slumdog Millionaire (2008; Danny Boyle, Loveleen Tandan) 9/10

See the Slumdog thread for my comments.
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Postby Reza » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:33 pm

Quantum of Solace (Marc Foster, 2008) 5/10

Had heard it was terrible so was pleasantly surprised to find myself enjoying it. Preferred it to the overated Casino Royale. Harks back to the Connery films in feel and tone. Judi Dench is a standout.

Vicky Cristina Barcelona (Woody Allen, 2008) 6/10

I can't believe Penelope Cruz is winning and getting nominated for awards for this film. She is not bad but too much fuss is being made about her performance. None of the 4 leads made much of an impression on me because the characters they were playing were all so full of themselves. I liked Patricia Clarkson though. However, the REAL star of the film is Spain and the lovely architecture on display in every scene.




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Postby FilmFan720 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:02 am

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Okri wrote:Paranoid Park: Should've been better. Staggeringly well shot with the last half in particular very effective. Best shower scene since Psycho. 7/10

I'm guessing you don't mean the one Van Sant himself shot? :;):

obviously Van Sant just loves shower scenes...

You're right....Elephant has a lovely one too.
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Postby Okri » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:51 am

FilmFan720 wrote:
Okri wrote:Paranoid Park: Should've been better. Staggeringly well shot with the last half in particular very effective. Best shower scene since Psycho. 7/10

I'm guessing you don't mean the one Van Sant himself shot? :;):

Heh - definitely not. And I'm sure my hyperbole is unjustified, but I was just sideswiped by the sheer beauty of it.

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Postby dreaMaker » Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:15 am

--FilmFan720 wrote:
--Okri wrote:Paranoid Park: Should've been better. Staggeringly well shot with the last half in particular very effective. Best shower scene since Psycho. 7/10

I'm guessing you don't mean the one Van Sant himself shot? :;):

obviously Van Sant just loves shower scenes...




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Postby barrybrooks8 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:59 am

I also enjoyed The Last Mistress a great deal. It has aged well in my head and some scenes are hard to forget. I thought Argento was fantastic as this strange and hauntingly bizarre character. She will probably make my top five for 08.
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Postby FilmFan720 » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:28 pm

--Big Magilla wrote:
--FilmFan720 wrote:I'm sorry, but this is one of the more ridiculous conversations this board has had in a while.

Was that before or after I added my two cents? :O

Before, don't worry. :D




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Postby Big Magilla » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:26 pm

--FilmFan720 wrote:I'm sorry, but this is one of the more ridiculous conversations this board has had in a while.

Was that before or after I added my two cents? :O




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Postby FilmFan720 » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:18 pm

--Okri wrote:Paranoid Park: Should've been better. Staggeringly well shot with the last half in particular very effective. Best shower scene since Psycho. 7/10

I'm guessing you don't mean the one Van Sant himself shot? :;):




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Postby Okri » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:12 pm

Heh.

The Last Mistress: The first Breillat film that doesn't suck. Argento's not much an actress, but she's certainly got screen presence. 7/10

Paranoid Park: Should've been better. Staggeringly well shot with the last half in particular very effective. Best shower scene since Psycho. 7/10

You Only Live Once: Henry Fonda only has two acting nominations in his career? Amongst AMPAS' greatest oversights. Incredibly well shot (the jail escape, the robbery), marred by a slightly schematic script. 8/10

Living Out Loud: I'd forgotten how agreeable this film was. Holly Hunter's never been finer, Devito's wonderful, Latifah has charisma to spare. 7.5/10

Flight of the Red Balloon: Largely boring, but when it gets mishevious (that damn balloon, the puppets), it springs to life. 5/10

The Counterfeiters: Ehh. Well acted. Inane framing device. Interesting story that could've been much better. 6/10

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Postby FilmFan720 » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:44 pm

I'm sorry, but this is one of the more ridiculous conversations this board has had in a while.
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Postby OscarGuy » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:25 pm

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