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Postby Damien » Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:28 pm

rudeboy wrote:I was too young to have any interest in the oscars back in the day when Gosset won his. Although I have some limited affection for An Officer and a Gentleman (its one of my old mum's favourite films) his win has always seemed inexplicable. Why did he become such an overwhelming favourite? Were they playing the race card (he was the first black winner since Poitier, right?) or was it a tip of the hat to a hugely successful piece of MOR filmmaking.

Gosset's expected (and ultimate) victory was entirely about the race card. So much so that during that Oscar season, a friend of mine began referring to him as Louis African-American, Jr.

Of course, he did receive very good reviews, and An Officer And A Gentleman was a huge hit, making much, much more moneu than the films featuring Robert Preston and John Lithgow.
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Postby Big Magilla » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:18 am

Eric wrote:
1963 Call Me Irresponsible over More


I agree. Mondo Cane was robbed of a cinematography nod, too.

Papa's Delicate Condition, the film from Call Me Irresponsible comes was total dreck, but the song itself is lovely as are Charade and More. I would have been happy with a win for any of the three.

I like the idea of a nomination for Mondo Cane's cinematography, but nothing in 1963 tops Leon Shamroy's breathtaking color camerawork on The Cardinal, certainly not the stultifying Cleopatra for which he won, unless it's James Wong Howe's glorious photography for Hud, for which he won in the black-and-white category. If I were handing out cinematography nods for 1963 the color nominees would be The Cardinal, Tom Jones, Mondo Cane, How the West Was Won and The Leopard and the black-and-white nominees would be Hud, America America, 8 1/2, The Four Days of Naples and Love With the Proper Stranger.

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Postby Big Magilla » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:36 pm

Mister Tee wrote:BEST COSTUME DESIGN
1967 Camelot over Bonnie and Clyde

I completely forgot about that one, which has to be one of the greatest Oscar slights of all time.

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Postby Eric » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:54 pm

Flipp... Matthew Rush? Ew.

I suppose I could try to put one of these together for the hell of it... I'm definitely going to be hindered by all those categories where I've only seen one or two nominees.

1963 Call Me Irresponsible over More


I agree. Mondo Cane was robbed of a cinematography nod, too. No one's voted for "Last Dance" in the Song category yet? That's sort of uncharacteristic for this forum.

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Postby Mister Tee » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:59 pm

Okay, my list:

BEST PICTURE
1982 Gandhi over Tootsie or E.T.-The Extra-Terrestrial
2001 A Beautiful Mind over Gosford Park or The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
1973 The Sting over American Graffiti
1976 Rocky over All the President's Men
1951 An American in Paris over A Place in the Sun or A Streetcar Named Desire

BEST ACTOR
1998 Roberto Benigni over Ian McKellen
1973 Jack Lemmon over Marlon Brando
1959 Charlton Heston over Jack Lemmon or James Stewart
1955 Ernest Borgnine over James Dean
1968 Cliff Robertson over Alan Arkin or Peter O'Toole

BEST ACTRESS
1973 Glenda Jackson over ANYBODY (Joanne Woodward)
1960 Elizabeth Taylor over Shirley MacLaine
1967 Katharine Hepburn over Edith Evans
2002 Nicole Kidman over Julianne Moore
1950 Judy Holliday over Gloria Swanson

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
1938 Walter Brennan over John Garfield
1970 John Mills over Richard Castellano
1986 Michael Caine over Tom Berenger or Willem Dafoe
1991 Jack Palance over Harvey Keitel
1961 George Chakiris over George C. Scott

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
1969 Goldie Hawn over Catherine Burns
1974 Ingrid Bergman over Valentina Cortese
1992 Marisa Tomei over Judy Davis
1995 Mira Sorvino over Joan Allen
1953 Donna Reed over Thelma Ritter

BEST DIRECTOR
1982 Richard Attenborough over Steven Spielberg
1990 Kevin Costner over Martin Scorsese
2001 Ron Howard over Robert Altman
1976 John Avildsen over Alan Pakula
1995 Mel Gibson over Mike Figgis

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
(the toughest category; could have nominated 10)
1982 Gandhi over Tootsie
1967 Guess Who's Coming to Dinner over Bonnie and Clyde
1959 Pillow Talk over The 400 Blows, North by Northwest or Wild Strawberries
1947 The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer over Monsieur Verdoux
1944 Wilson over Hail the Conquering Hero/The Miracle of Morgan's Creek

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
1981 On Golden Pond over Prince of the City
1999 The Cider House Rules over The Talented Mr. Ripley
1994 Forrest Gump over Nobody's Fool
1967 In the Heat of the Night over The Graduate
1961 Judgment at Nuremberg over Breakfast at Tiffany's

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
1976 The Omen over Taxi Driver
1984 A Passage to India over The Natural
1937 100 Men and a Girl over Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
1998 Life is Beautiful over Pleasantville
1975 The Godfather Part II over Chinatown

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
1999 You'll Be In My Heart over When She Loved Me or Save Me
1954 Three Coins in a Fountain over The Man That Got Away
1963 Call Me Irresponsible over More
1937 Sweet Leilani over They Can't Take That Away from Me
1985 Say You Say Me over The Power of Love

BEST EDITING
1950 King Solomon's Mines over The Third Man
1973 The Sting over American Graffiti
1974 The Towering Inferno over Chinatown
2005 Crash over Munich
1994 Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1974 The Towering Inferno over Chinatown
1988 Mississippi Burning over The Unbearable Lightness of Being
1971 Fiddler on the Roof over The Last Picture Show
2005 Memoirs of a Geisha over Good Night and Good Luck
1994 Legends of the Fall over Red

BEST ART DIRECTION
1982 Gandhi over Blade Runner
1985 Out of Africa over Brazil
1969 Hello Dolly! over They Shoot Horses, Don't They?

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
1982 Gandhi over Victor/Victoria
2000 Gladiator over Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
1967 Camelot over Bonnie and Clyde

BEST MAKEUP
1989 Driving Miss Daisy over The Adventures of Baron Munchausen

BEST SOUND
1974 Earthquake over The Conversation
1971 Fiddler on the Roof over The French Connection

BEST SOUND EFFECTS
(None)

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
1963 Cleopatra over The Birds
1985 Cocoon over Young Sherlock Holmes
2000 Gladiator over The Perfect Storm

BEST FOREIGN FILM
1976 Black and White in Color over Seven Beauties
1966 A Man and Woman over The Battle of Algiers
1990 Journey of Hope over The Nasty Girl
1970 Investigation of a Citizen above Suspicion over Tristana
1988 Pelle the Conqueror over Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown

BEST DOCUMENTARY
1971 The Hellstrom Chronicle over The Sorrow and the Pity
2005 March of the Penguins over Murderball
1993 I Am a Promise... over The War Room

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Postby paperboy » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:50 pm

Mister Tee wrote:I never quite got the acclaim for Gossett (a friend of mine said he gave basically the same performance as the sergeant on Gomer Pyle)

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Postby Mister Tee » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:10 pm

rudeboy wrote:I liked Rourke in Diner but boy, what a snoozer of a yakfest it was...

Wow...couldn't disagree more. After Tootsie, Diner was my favorite movie of 1982. Any time it shows up (like on TCM a few weeks back) I can't resist dropping in for a while. I LOVE the talk.

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Postby rudeboy » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:08 am

Mister Tee wrote:My supporting actor choice on the year was Mickey Rourke in Diner (I know, he's a joke now, but at the time he seemed a potential luminary, and I love him in the picture)

Well his performance in Sin City was surprisingly strong and memorable, and he looks likely to enjoy a career as a decent understated character actor from here on.

I liked Rourke in Diner but boy, what a snoozer of a yakfest it was...

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Postby Mister Tee » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:37 am

My supporting actor choice on the year was Mickey Rourke in Diner (I know, he's a joke now, but at the time he seemed a potential luminary, and I love him in the picture); like others here, I'd have gone for Lithgow among the nominees.

I never quite got the acclaim for Gossett (a friend of mine said he gave basically the same performance as the sergeant on Gomer Pyle), and certainly the fact that no black performer had won since Poitier was mentioned numerous times in the run-up to the Oscars. But it should be said he received substantial critical raves, and they came early enough in the year (mid-summer) in a greatly successful (and inexplicably well-reviewed) film that the idea of him winning an Oscar was planted early.

I'll post my own list when I get home some time later today.

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Postby rudeboy » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:23 am

I was too young to have any interest in the oscars back in the day when Gosset won his. Although I have some limited affection for An Officer and a Gentleman (its one of my old mum's favourite films) his win has always seemed inexplicable. Why did he become such an overwhelming favourite? Were they playing the race card (he was the first black winner since Poitier, right?) or was it a tip of the hat to a hugely successful piece of MOR filmmaking. Debra Winger's nomination I can understand - great female roles were not exactly two-a-penny in those days. But Gosset's performance simply does not scream oscar in any way. Its thoroughly forgettable - catching a small portion of the movie recently I was surprised at just how little of an impression he makes, despite all the shouting.

Preston was wonderful in Victor/Victoria, but its always struck me as a pretty easy, light role for him (and besides, its Lesley Ann Warren who I always cherish the most from that movie. What a terrific comic performance). My supporting actor vote would have gone to Lithgow, just about the best thing in a pretty underrated film.

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Postby flipp525 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:58 am

Big Magilla wrote:5. Louis Gossett, Jr. in AN Officer and a Gentleman over Robert Preston in Victor/Victoria

Robert Preston is truly wonderful in Victor/Victoria, however, I would’ve awarded the hilariously heartbreaking John Lithgow for his role as Roberta Muldoon, the transsexual with a heart-of-gold in The World According to Garp. It still stands as my favorite role of his and that line, “I mean, I had mine removed under general anesthesia” still makes me guffaw.

Really, any of the nominees that year would’ve been better than Louis Gossett, Jr. In hindsight, what a joke.
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Postby Big Magilla » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:35 pm

Since we're sharing, this was my submission:

Worst Oscar Decisions

Picture
1. Crash over Brokeback Mountain
2. The Greatest Show on Earth over High Noon
3. The Sting over The Exorcist
4. You Can’t Take It With You over The Adventures of Robin Hood
5. Hamlet over The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

Actor
1. Jack Lemmon in Save the Tiger over Al Pacino in Serpico.
2. Kevin Spacey in American Beauty over Richard Farnsworth in The Straight Story
3. Roberto Benigni in Life Is Beautiful over Ian McKellen in Gods and Monsters
4. Lee Marvin in Cat Ballou over Oskar Werner in Ship of Fools Verdict
5. Philip Seymour Hoffman in Capote over Heath Ledger in Brokeback Mountain

Actress
1. Elizabeth Taylor in Butterfield 8 over Deborah Kerr in The Sundowners
2. Grace Kelly in The Country Girl over Judy Garland in A Star Is Born
3. Luise Rainer in The Good Earth over Irene Dunne in The Awful Truth
4. Ginger Rogers in Kitty Foyle over Katharine Hepburn in The Philadelphia Story
5. Glenda Jackson in A Touch of Class over Joanne Woodward in Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams

Supporting Actor
1. Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda over Dean Stockwell in Married to the Mob
2. Walter Brennan in Kentucky over John Garfield in Four Daughters
3. Barry Fitzgerald in Going My Way over Clifton Webb in Laura
4. Harold Russell in The Best Years of Our Lives over Claude Rains in Notorious
5. Louis Gossett, Jr. in AN Officer and a Gentleman over Robert Preston in Victor/Victoria

Supporting Actress
1. Donna Reed in From Here to Eternity over Thelma Ritter in Pickup on South Street
2. Jennifer Connelly in A Beautiful Mind over Maggie Smith in Gosford Park
3. Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny over Joan Plowright in Enchanted April
4. Katina Paxinou in For Whom the Bell Tolls over Gladys Cooper in The Song of Bernadette
5. Lila Kedorva in Zorba the Greek over Edith Evans in The Chalk Garden

Director
1. William Friedkin for The French Connection over Stanley Kubrick for A Clockwork Orange
2. Milos Forman for One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest over Robert Altman for Nashville
3. Kevin Costner for Dances With Wolves over Martin Scorsese for GoodFellas
4. Ron Howard for A Beautiful Mind over David Lynch for Mulholland Drive
5. Mel Gibson for Braveheart over Tim Robbins for Dead Man Walking

Original Screenplay
1. Patton over Five Easy Pieces
2. The Hospital over Sunday Bloody Sunday
3. Pillow Talk over North by Northwest
4. Crash over Good Night, and Good Luck
5. How the West Was Won over America America

Adapted Screenplay
1. The Cider House Rules over The Talented Mr. Ripley
2. The French Connection over The Last Picture Show
3. Around the World in 80 Days over Giant
4. Room at the Top over The Nun’s Story
5. Amadeus over A Passage to India


Origiinal Score
1. The Omen over Taxi Driver
2. None

Original Song
1. Take My Breath Away over Somewhere Out There
2. It Goes Like It Goes over The Rainbow Connection
3. Theme from Shaft over The Age of Not Believing
4. Colors of the Wind over You’ve Got a Friend in Me
5. You’ll Be in My Heart over When She Loved Me

Editing
1. North West Mounted Police over The Grapes of Wrath
2. Gandhi over E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
3. All That Jazz over Apocalypse Now
4. How the West Was Won over The Cardinal
5. King Solomon’s Mines over The Third Man

Cinematography
1. Road to Perdition over Chicago
2. Braveheart over Sense and Sensibility
3. The Mission over A Room With a View
4. Close Encounters of the Third Kind over The Turning Point
5. Cleopatra over The Cardinal

Art Direction
1. Out of Africa over The Color Purple
2. All That Jazz over The China Syndrome
3. Fantastic Voyage over The Sand Pebbles
4. Blood on the Sun over The Picture of Dorian Gray
5. This Above All over Random Harvest

Costume Design
1. Gladiator over Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2. Bram Stoker’s Dracula over Howards End
3. Gandhi over Victor/Victoria
4. All That Jazz over La Cage aux Folles
5. Cromwell over Scrooge

Makeup
1. How the Grinch Stole Christmas over Shadow of the Vampire
2. Braveheart over My Family-Mi Familia
3. Quest for Fire over Gandhi

Sound
1. Earthquake over Chinatown
2. Grand Prix over The Sand Pebbles
3. That Hamilton Woman over How Green Was My Valley
4. Strike Up the Band over The Grapes of Wrath
5. When Tomorrow Comes over Gone With the Wind

Sound Effects
1. None

Visual Effects
1. None

Foreign Film
1. The Sea Inside over Downfall
2. Burnt By the Sun over Eat Drink Man Woman
3. Belle Epoque over The Wedding Banquet
4. Pelle the Conqueror over Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown
5. Mediteraneo over Raise the Red Lantern

Documentary
1. None

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Postby OscarGuy » Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:02 pm

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Postby Damien » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:47 pm

Here's my ballot:


Except for those cases in which the losing nominee was so extraordinary that anyone else winning is unimaginable (eg, Juanita Moore in Imitation of Life; John Garfield in Body And Soul) my criterion was to select those instances evidencing the greatest distance in quality between the winner and the deserving nominee

PICTURE
1. Crash over Brokeback Mountain (2005)
2. Rocky over Bound For Glory (1976)
3. Mutiny On The Bounty over Ruggles Of Red Gap (1935)
4. Schindler’s List over The Piano (1993)
5. The Greatest Show On Earth over Ivanhoe (1952)

ACTOR
1. Roberto Benigni in Life Is Beautiful over Ian McKellen in Gods And Monsters (1998)
2. Marlon Brando in On The Waterfront over James Mason in A Star Is Born (l954)
3. Ronald Colman in A Double Life over John Garfield in Body And Soul (1947)
4. Nicolas Cage in Leaving Las Vegas over Sean Penn in Dead Man Walking (1995)
5. Robert Duvall in Tender Mercies over Michael Caine in Educating Rita (1983)

ACTRESS
1. Grace Kelly in The Country Girl over Judy Garland in A Star Is Born (1954)
2. Susan Hayward in I Want To Live! over Rosalind Russell in Auntie Mame (1958)
3. Meryl Streep in Sophie’s Choice over Julie Andrews in Victor/Victoria (1982)
4. Judy Holliday in Born Yesterday over Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard (1950)
5. Barbra Streisand in Funny Girl and Katharine Hepburn in The Lion In Winter over Vanessa Redgrave in Isadora (1968)

SUPPORTING ACTOR
1. Joe Pesci in GoodFellas over Bruce Davison in Longtime Companion (1990)
2. Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda over Dean Stockwell in Married To The Mob (1988)
3. Louis Gossett, Jr. in An Officer And A Gentleman over Robert Preston in Victor/Victoria (1982)
4. Benicio Del Toro in Traffic over Albert Finney in Erin Brockovich (2000)
5. Walter Brennan in Kentucky over Robert Morley in Marie Antoinette (1938)

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
1. Shelley Winters in Diary Of Anne Frank over Juanita Moore in Imitation of Life (1959)
2. Shirley Jones in Elmer Gantry over Janet Leigh in Psycho (1960)
3. Lila Kedrova in Zorba The Greek over Agnes Moorehead in Hush . . .Hush, Sweet Charlotte (1964)
4. Josephine Hull in Harvey over Celeste Holm in All About Eve (1950)
5. Helen Hayes in Airport over Karen Black in Five Easy Pieces (1970)

DIRECTOR
1. Delbert Mann for Marty over Elia Kazan for East Of Eden (1955)
2. George Stevens for A Place In The Sun over Elia Kazan for A Streetcar Named Desire
(1951)
3. Mel Gibson for Braveheart over Tim Robbins for Dead Man Walking (1995)
4, Robert Zemeckis for Forrest Gump over Krzysztof Kieslowski for Trois couleurs: Rouge Red (1994)
5. David Lean for Lawrence Of Arabia over Robert Mulligan for To Kill Mockingbird (1962)

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
1. Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner over Two For The Road (1967)
2. Network over Cousin, Cousine (1976)
3. Breaking Away over Manhattan (1979)
4. Pulp Fiction over Four Weddings And A Funeral (1994)
5. Titanic over The Band Wagon (1953)

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
1. Sideways over Before Sunset (2004)
2. Marty over East Of Eden (1955)
3. A Place In The Sun over La Ronde (1951)
4. The Exorcist over The Last Detail (1973)
5. M*A*S*H* over I Never Sang For My Father (1970)

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
1. The Lion King (Hans Zimmer) over Little Women (Thomas Newman) (1994)
2. The Red Shoes (Brian Easdale) over Johnny Belinda (Max Steiner) (1948)
3. A Place In The Sun (Franz Waxman) over A Streetcar Named Desire (Alex North) (1951)
4. Lawrence Of Arabia (Maurice Jarre) over To Kill A Mockingbird (Jerry Goldsmith) (1962)
5. Doctor Zhivago (Maurice Jarre) over A Patch Of Blue (Jerry Goldsmith) (1965)

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
1. “Chim Chim Cher-ee” over “Dear Heart” (1964)
2. “You’ll Never Know” over “My Shining Hour” (1943)
3. “Three Coins In The Fountain” over “The Man That Got Away” (1954)
4. “You’ll Be In My Heart” over “When She Loved Me” (1999)
5. “Say You, Say Me” over “Separate Lives” (1985)

BEST EDITING
1. Cabaret over The Godfather (1972)
2. Mary Poppins over Hush . . . Hush, Sweet Charlotte (1964)
3. North West Mounted Police over The Letter (1940)
4. Rocky over Bound For Glory (1976)
5. In The Heat Of The Night over Beach Red (1967)

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
1. The Naked City (William Daniels) over Portrait Of Jennie (Joseph August) (1948)
2. Laura (Joseph LaShelle) over The Uninvited (Charles B. Lang) (1944)
3. Somebody Up There Likes Me (Joseph Ruttenberg) over The Harder They Fall (Burnett Guffey)
4. Master And Commander: The Far Side Of The World (Russell Boyd) over Girl With A Pearl Earring (Eduardo Serra) (2003)
5. A Place In The Sun (William C. Mellor) over A Streetcar Named Desire (Harry Stradling) (1951)

BEST ART DIRECTION
1. On The Waterfront over Le Plaisir (1954)
2. The King And I over Lust For Life (1956)
3. Phantom Of The Opera over For Whom The Bell Tolls (1943)
4. Titanic over Gattaca (1997)
5. Moulin Rouge over Lord Of The Rings: Fellowship Of The Rings (2001)

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
1. Camelot over Bonnie And Clyde (1967)
2. The Great Gatsby over Chinatown (1974)
3. Gandhi over Victor/Victoria (1982)
4. All That Jazz over Agatha (1979)
5. Samson And Delilah over The Black Rose (1950)

BEST MAKEUP
1. Topsy-Turvey over Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me (1999)
2. Dr. Seuss’ How The Grinch Stole Christmas over The Cell (2000)

BEST SOUND
1. The Great Caruso over Two Tickets To Broadway (1951)
2. The Empire Strikes Back over Altered States (1980)

BEST SOUND EFFECTS
1. The Incredibles over Spider-Man 2 (2004)

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
1. Ben-Hur over Journey To The Center Of The Earth (1959)
2. Gladiator over Hollow Man (2000)
3. Blithe Spirit over A Stolen Life (1946)
4. Mighty Joe Young over Tulsa (1949)
5. Independence Day over Twister (1996)

BEST FOREIGN FILM
1. Life Is Beautiful over Children Of Heaven (1998)
2. Black And White In Color over Cousin, Cousine (1976)
3. Mephisto over Muddy River (1981)

BEST DOCUMENTARY
1. The Hellstrom Chronicles over The Sorrow And The Pity (1971)
2. The Long Way Home over Four Little Girls (1997)
3. Genocide over El Salvador: Another Vietnam (1981)
4. One Day In September over The Buena Vista Social Club (1999)
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Postby Mister Tee » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:02 pm

Okay, given all the time that's gone by, I presume not enough ballots were received to make tabulation worthwhile. But would it be possible just to post the lists that were submitted? I'd like to see how others responded.


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